While I realize that some will view posts such as this as being
argumentative. I view it as a learning exercise, much like
Discussion/Conversational Bible Studies. We learn very little
when we just sit and listen. We learn when we participate in
discussions, allowing different participants to offer their
thoughts and then discussing those thoughts to see if they are
valid, based upon Scripture.
That is why I will never call
myself a Bible study "teacher." My goal is always to be a
Bible study "leader" - one who opens the discussion, hears,
considers, and discusses thoughts from others, eventually leading the
group
discussion back to our only true authority, the Bible.
With that in mind, this is one of my recent discussions on
Facebook:
A FRIEND AND CHRISTIAN BROTHER IN AFRICA POSTED: "We
are not the Sheep ~ Jesus Christ is not our shepherd ~ Our
blessings are spiritual in Christ Jesus ~ We are not looking
forward to the Messianic Kingdom."
I RESPOND: My brother, you tell us, "We are not the
Sheep. Jesus Christ is not our shepherd." The
Bible clearly tells us that the metaphor "sheep" refers to all
believers worldwide, Jews and Gentiles. At the time of His
earthly teaching, He came to those who should have been His
"sheep" - Israel - and to seek and heal His "other sheep" - we
Gentiles. We Gentiles are the branches grafted into the True
Vine, Jesus Christ (John 15:1ff). In John 10:24-29 Jesus is
clearly referring to all believers, i.e., His sheep.
And in Matthew 25:31-46 we see the post-Tribulation Sheep &
Goat Judgment of the mortal survivors of the 7-year
Tribulation. The Sheep are the believers who survive the
Tribulation, the Goats are the non-believers who survive. The
Sheep go into His 1000 year Millennial Kingdom, i.e., the
Messianic Kingdom, in their mortal bodies. The Goats, i.e.,
non-believers, go into Hades/Torment (Luke 16:19-31) to await
the Great White Judgment of all non-believers.
HE TELLS ME: "As a Dispensationalist, King James Bible
believer (KJV Only), and Pauline rightly dividing the Word of Truth
(believer) - I don't believe that salvation has been by Grace
through faith in Christ."
I RESPOND: On Dispensationalism we agree. Although
I have to ask, "How can you be a Dispensationalist believer,
i.e., PreTrib Rapture, PreMillennial Second Coming of Christ,
and not believe in His 1000 year Millennial Kingdom, aka, His
Messianic Kingdom?"
On your KJV Only position, I have one question: WHY?
There are
two editions of the King James Bible - the King James 1611
and the King James 1769. Which one do the KJV ONLY folks
call the only Bible, the 1611 or the 1769? There were a
number of English language Bible translations before the
King James 1611 (see chart below) - and there are good
English translations since 1611. So why do you feel that
that King James is the only Bible translations we should be
reading? The graphic posted below shows the English Bible
Timeline.
Do you really believe that God looked down, chose ONLY the
King James Bible to be His Holy Word - and wants us to trash
all the other translations? Really? In your view, is God
really that limited?
My Friend, our God is big enough to have chosen 40 men, over
a period of 1600 year, in various locations - to write His
Bible. And they had a unified message - offering salvation to
mankind. Our God was big enough to assure that scribes and
copyists over the millennia were copying His Word accurately
- and our God is still big enough today to assure that our
NASB, NKJV, and other English language translations properly reflect His
Word and His message of salvation. You should not limit God
to only one translation.
In your vision of God, after the inspired Wycliffe, Tyndale,
Coverdale, Matthew, Great Bible, Geneva, Bishops translations,
all English translations, did God suddenly decide that all those
English translations before 1611 were invalid and only the King James
English translation is valid? Where do you find that in
Scripture? If the Christian church
should be using ONLY the King James Bible, who made that
decision? Was it man or God? If God, where is it written?
God inspired those 40 men, over a period of 1600
years, living in various geographical locations - to write His
unified message of salvation for mankind. Did the same God who
guided the hands of those 40 writers, then the Scribes and
Copyists over the millennia, to copy His literal, inspired,
inerrant Written Word - suddenly stop inspiring man to translate
His message of salvation to mankind? Starting with Wycliffe
Bible, did God invalidate them all, declare them all uninspired,
and bless only the King James Bible? Really?
HE TELLS ME: I am a, "Pauline
rightly dividing the Word of Truth" believer."
I RESPOND: I am not quite sure I
understand your position on the apostle Paul's writings. I know
there are people who feel that we should discard the Gospel
books and the writings of other apostles and use only Paul's
writings as our New Testament. To them the message to the church, i.e.,
Christian believers, begins in Acts 9 when Paul met Jesus on the road
to Damascus and believed. To them Acts 1-8 is written to the Jews only
and still falls under the Law. Paul's conversion in Acts 9 began His
message to the church.
My Friend, knowing that you are a sincere Christian brother, I am assuming
that is not your position, and that you are referring to Paul's
writing in 2 Timothy 2:15 (nkjv), "Be diligent to present
yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be
ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." And I
would agree that is very good advise.
The book 2 Timothy was the last of Paul's prison epistles and was
written to Timothy, whom Paul had left in Ephesus to minister to and
teach the church in that city. Paul was encouraging Timothy to be a
diligent worker in the ministry, teaching the Word of God as Paul had
taught him. This teaching, like most in the Bible, even though written
to encourage a specific person, in this case Timothy, also is a teaching
of encouragement to all believers.
But it leads me back to my previous paragraphs discussing your
KJV ONLY position on the Bible. And I have to ask, "Are you
rightly dividing the Word of God when you declare that the
King James Bible is the ONLY valid English language Word of
God?" Once again, I must ask, "On whose authority are
you making that declaration - man's or God's? If by God's
authority, where do you find it in the Bible?"
HE TELLS ME: "I don't believe that
salvation has been by Grace through faith in Christ."
I RESPOND: Yet in Ephesians 2:8-9
(nasb) we read, "For by grace you have been saved through
faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of
God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
And in Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 (nasb) we read, "In Him, you
also, after listening to the message of truth, the Gospel of
your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in
Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise, . . . Do not
grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the
day of redemption." Our "day of redemption" is the day we die in this mortal body, or when we are raptured from this mortal body.
How do your reconcile your statement above based upon those Scripture
passages?
At this point in our discussion, looking back at his statement above, "We
are not the Sheep ~ Jesus Christ is not our shepherd"
- I suggested a blog from the Got Questions web site titled:
"Who Are The 'Other Sheep' Mentioned In John 10:16?"
HE TELLS ME: "Bill Gray, Got Questions is not a
Dispensational Biblical teaching perspective website. The
founder is not a Pauline Dispensational right divider and King
James Bible believer. He is one of the Replacement
Theologians. Kindly follow apostle Paul and embrace right
division of the Word of Truth using Dispensational Biblical
teaching perspective. Stay here and learn."
I RESPOND: Not sure where you got your information
regarding the Got Questions web site or its founder. You say
that Got Questions is not Dispensational and teaches Replacement
Theology.
In researching the Got Questions web site I found the
information below. I see absolutely nothing which would
indicate that Michael Houdmann, founder of the Got Questions web
site, is not Dispensational - nor that he believes or teaches
Replacement Theology, that the church has replaced Israel as the
chosen people of God.
Another key and very important thought: Michael Houdmann is not
the sole writer on the Got Questions web site. That site has hundreds of
contributors who answer questions and give insight. I
understand that Michael Houdmann does favor Reform/Calvinist
theology - but that does not mean that this sways or drives what
is written in Got Questions - for, as I mentioned, there are
many contributors to that site.
Personally I do not believe in Calvinist Predestination, in
Arminian Loss of Salvation, nor in Free Grace Rejection of
Repentance. But we must keep in mind that folks in those camps who
believe
and truly teach the Essential Christian Doctrines - are just as
saved
as you and me. We will all be in heaven together. Then we will
all know the full Truth.
I do not believe in Calvinism, Arminianism, nor Free Grace - but
I have many brethren in those camps who otherwise offer solid teachings. You and I can
learn much from them - as long as we stay away from
Predestination, Loss of Salvation, and Salvation without
Repentance. I would be interested in knowing where you got your
information about the Got Questions web site and its founder, so that I can study it.
The
information below is what I have found which
answer your questions and objections to that web site.
These excerpts come directly from the God Questions web site. I pray
you find this information
helpful. God bless, Bill
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DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY teaches that there are two distinct
peoples of God: Israel and the Church. Dispensationalists
believe that salvation has always been by grace through faith
alone - in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the
Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the
Church has NOT replaced Israel in God’s program - and that the
Old Testament promises to Israel have NOT been transferred to
the Church.
What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?
https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html
You might want to also read the Got Questions Statement of Faith.
Got Questions Ministries Statement of Faith
https://www.gotquestions.org/faith.html
WHO IS S. MICHAEL HOUDMANN: He is the Founder, President, and
CEO of Got Questions Ministries, the parent ministry for the
Got Questions web site. We rarely receive questions about S. Michael
Houdmann, and that is a good thing. He does not want Got
Questions to be about him. He does not want people to accept or
reject the answers given at Got Questions because of name
recognition. Rather, his hope is that people will accept or
reject Got Questions answers because they have read them,
compared them with the Word of God, and prayed about them – and
determined them to be true and biblical.
Prior to launching Got Questions, Michael Houdmann earned a
Bachelors of Arts in Biblical Studies from Calvary University
and a Masters of Arts in Christian Theology from Calvary
Theological Seminary. He later earned a Master of Theology with
an emphasis in Christian Apologetics from Dallas Theological
Seminary.
https://www.gotquestions.org/S-Michael-Houdmann.html
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FROM THE GOT QUESTIONS WEB SITE: "What Is Going to
Happen According to End Times Prophecy?"
Bill Gray Note: The following
blog excerpt is a perfect description of the PreTrib Rapture and
the PreMillennial Second Coming of Christ, which is where I also
stand. This is from the Got Questions web site.
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The Bible has a lot to say about the end times. Nearly every
book of the Bible contains prophecy regarding the end times.
Taking all of these prophecies and organizing them can be
difficult. Following is a very brief summary of what the Bible
declares will happen in the end times.
Christ will remove all born-again believers from the earth in an
event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1
Corinthians 15:51-54). At the judgment seat of Christ, these
believers will be rewarded for good works and faithful service
during their time on earth or will lose rewards, but not eternal
life, for lack of service and obedience (1 Corinthians 3:11-15;
2 Corinthians 5:10).
The Antichrist (the beast) will come into power and will sign a
covenant with Israel for seven years (Daniel 9:27). This
seven-year period of time is known as the “tribulation.” During
the tribulation, there will be terrible wars, famines, plagues,
and natural disasters. God will be pouring out His wrath against
sin, evil, and wickedness. The tribulation will include the
appearance of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, and the seven
seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments.
About halfway through the seven years, the Antichrist will break
the peace covenant with Israel and make war against it. The
Antichrist will commit “the abomination of desolation” and set
up an image of himself to be worshiped in the Jerusalem temple
(Daniel 9:27; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-10), which will have been
rebuilt. The second half of the tribulation is known as “the
great tribulation” (Revelation 7:14) and “the time of Jacob’s
trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7).
At the end of the seven-year tribulation, the Antichrist will
launch a final attack on Jerusalem, culminating in the battle of
Armageddon. Jesus Christ will return, destroy the Antichrist and
his armies, and cast them into the lake of fire (Revelation
19:11-21). Christ will then bind Satan in the Abyss for 1,000
years and He will rule His earthly kingdom for this
thousand-year period (Revelation 20:1-6).
At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released,
defeated again, and then cast into the lake of fire (Revelation
20:7-10) for eternity. Christ then judges all unbelievers
(Revelation 20:10-15) at the great white throne judgment,
casting them all into the lake of fire. Christ will then usher
in a new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem - the
eternal dwelling place of believers. There will be no more sin,
sorrow, or death (Revelation 21–22).
What Is Going to Happen According to End Times Prophecy?
https://www.gotquestions.org/end-times.html
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I pray you have found this discussion helpful, either in
full or in "golden nuggets" mined while scanning this blog.
We do not want to appear argumentative when sharing the
Gospel with others - and I have found that the best way to
avoid that is to well equipped with answers to the many
tough questions the world will throw at us.
During my 35 years in computer sales and marketing, I won a
number of major contracts by being armed with knowledge of
my products and what the market was offering - so that a
prospective client did not get hung up on one question
causing my presentations to come to a screeching halt.
In the same way, when we share the Word of God, the Gospel,
with the world - the more knowledge we have of our product,
eternal life in Christ taught in the Bible, the more
effective we will be in bringing that person or those
persons to faith in Christ.
As my Friend and Christian brother in Africa tells us, reminding us of Paul's admonition to Timothy, "Let us rightly divide the Word of God - and be armed through daily study of His Word" - so that when the world raises objections, we have the Truth to counter those objections.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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